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Heated Exchange between Sen. Rand Paul & Dr. Anthony Fauci on Vaccines and Royalties

dr fauci the government recommends,everybody take a booster over age five,are you aware of any studies that show,reduction in hospitalization or death,for children who take a booster,right now there's not enough data that,has been accumulated senator paul,to indicate that that's the case the i,believe that the recommendation,that was made was based on the,assumption,that if you look at the morbidity and,mortality,of children within each of the age,groups you know zero to five five to,eleven so,so there are no studies and americans,should all know this there are no,studies on children showing a reduction,in hospitalization or death with taking,a booster the only studies that were,permitted the only studies that were,presented were antibody studies so they,say if we give you a booster you make,antibodies,now a lot of scientists would question,whether or not that's proof of efficacy,of a vaccine,if i give you 10,or if i give a patient 10 mrna vaccines,and they make protein each time or they,make antibody each time is that proof,that we should give 10 boosters dr fauci,uh no that i think that is somewhat of,an absurd exaggeration so that is the,proof that you use your committees use,that that's the only proof you have to,tell children to take a booster is that,they make antibodies so it's not an,absurdity you're already at like five,boosters for people you've had you know,two or three boosters it's like where is,the proof,now i think there is probably some,indication for older folks that have,some risk factors for younger folks,there's not but here's the other thing,there are some risk factors for for the,vaccine so the risk of myocarditis with,a second dose for adolescent boys 12 to,24 is about 80 and a million,this is both from the cdc and from the,israeli study it's also in the ver study,remarkably similar four boys much higher,from boys than girls and much higher,than the background the background's,about two,per million so there is risk and there,are risks and you're telling everybody,in america just blindly go out there,because we made antibodies so it is not,an absurd corollary to say if you have,10. in fact you probably make antibodies,if you get a hundred boosters all right,that's not science that's conjecture and,we should not be making public policy on,it,so senator paul if i might respond to,that,we just heard in his opening statement,uh ranking member burr,talk about his staff who went to israel,and if you look at the data from israel,the boost both the third shot boost and,the fourth shot boost,was associated with a clear-cut clinical,effect mostly in elderly people,but also as they gathered more data even,in people in the 40s and the 50s so,there is clinical data but not in,children,well well see here's the thing is you're,not willing to be honest with the,american people so for example 75 of,kids have had the disease,why is the cdc not including this in the,data you can ask the question you can do,laboratory tests to find out who's had,it and who hasn't had the disease,what is the incidence of hospitalization,and death for children who have been,infected with kovid,subsequently going to the hospital or,dying,what is the possibility if your kid has,had covid which is 75 percent of the,country's head covered what is the,chance that my child's going to the,hospital or dying,if you look at the number of deaths in,pediatrics senator,you can see that there are more deaths,of people who have had it,but people have had the disease,senator we also know from other studies,that the optimal degree of protection,when you get infection is to get,vaccinated after infection and in fact,showing re-infection in the era of,omicron and the sub-lineages that,vaccinate which you can't answer the,question i ask the question i ask is how,many kids are dying and how many kids,are going to the hospital who have,already had covid the answer may be zero,but you're not even giving us the data,because you have so much wanted to,protect everybody from all the data,because we're not smart enough to look,at the data when you release data,earlier when the cdc released the data,they left out the category of 18 to 49,on whether or not there was a health,benefit for for adults 18 to 49 why was,it left out,when critics finally complained it was,finally included because there was no,health benefit from taking a booster,between the 18 to 49 and the cdc study,another question for you the nih,continues to refuse to voluntarily,divulge the names of scientists who,receive royalties and from which,companies,over the period of time from 2010 to,2016,27 000 royalty payments were paid to,1800 nih employees we know that not,because you told us but because we,forced you to tell us through the,freedom of information act,over 193 million dollars was given to,these 18 employees 1800 employees,can you tell me that you have not,received a royalty from any entity that,you ever oversaw the distribution of,money in research grants,um well first of all

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Complete Heated Exchange between Sen. Rand Paul and Dr. Anthony Fauci
Complete exchange between Sen. Rand Paul and Dr. Anthony Fauci
Exchange between Sen. Rand Paul and Dr. Anthony Fauci
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Complete Heated Exchange between Sen. Rand Paul and Dr. Anthony Fauci

senator paul,dr falchi,the idea that a government official like,yourself would claim unilaterally,unilaterally to represent science that,any criticism of you would be considered,a criticism of science itself is quite,dangerous central planning whether it be,of the economy or of science is risky,because of the fallibility of the,planner it would not be so catastrophic,if the planner were simply one physician,in peoria,then the mistakes would only affect that,physician's patients the people who,chose that physician,but when the planner is a government,official,like yourself who rules by mandate the,errors are compounded and become much,more harmful,a planner who believes he is the science,leads to an arrogance that justifies in,his mind using government resources to,smear,and to destroy the reputations of other,scientists who disagree with them in an,email exchange with dr collins you,conspire and i quote here directly from,the email,to create a quick and devastating,published takedown of three prominent,epidemiologists from harvard,oxford and stanford apparently there's a,lot of fringe epidemiologists at harvard,oxford and stanford and you quote in the,email that they were from dr collins and,you you agree that they are fringe and,immediately there's this takedown effort,a published takedown though you know,doesn't exactly conjure up the image of,a dispassionate scientist,instead of engaging them on the merits,you and dr collins sought to smear them,as fringe and take them down,and not in journals in lay press,this is not only antithetical to the,scientific method it's the epitome of,cheap politics and it's reprehensible dr,faucie,do you really think it's appropriate to,use your 420 000 salary to attack,scientists that disagree with you,the email you're referring to was an,email,of dr collins to me if you look at the,email that you responded to and hurried,up and said i can do it i can do it we,got something in wired oh no i think in,usual fashion,senator you are distorting everything,about me did you ever object to dr,collins's characterization of them as,friends did you write back to dr collins,say no they're not fringe they're,esteemed scientists and it would be,beneath me i did not do that you,responded to him that you would do it,and you immediately got an article in,wired and you sent it back to him said,hey look i've got them i nailed them in,wired of all scientists,went on,this wasn't the only time so your desire,to take down people incorrect as usual,senator you are incorrect almost,everything well no you deny you deny but,the emails tell the truth of this no,this wasn't the only time your desire to,take down those who disagree with you,didn't stop with harvard oxford and,stanford you conspired with peter dazak,who you communicated with privately and,other members of the scientific,community that wrote opinion pieces for,nature five of them signed a paper for,nature an opinion piece 17 signed a,paper that called it conspiracy theory,the idea that the virus could have,originated in the lab do you think words,like conspiracy theory should be in a,scientific paper,senator i never used that word when i,was referring to it you're distorting,virtually everything did you communicate,with the five scientists who wrote the,opinion piece in nature,where they were describing oh this,there's no way this could happen what's,on the lab me what i did you talk with,any of those scientists keep the you,keep the students the truth it,is you,talk to any of the scientists privately,yes you wrote the opinion you did,what were they telling you privately,well let me explain you know you're,going back to that original discussion,when i brought together,a group of people to look at every,possibility with an open mind so you not,only are you distorting it you were,completely turning it around,scientists that came to you privately do,they come to you privately and say no,way this came from the lab or was there,an initial impression dr gary and others,that were involved was there an initial,impression actually that it looked very,suspicious for a virus who came from a,lab senator we are here,at a committee,to look at a virus now that has killed,almost 900 000 people and the purpose of,the committee was to try and get things,out how we can help to get the american,public and you keep coming back to,personal attacks on me that have,absolutely no relevance to reality do,you think anybody has had more influence,let me finish this than you have do you,man,yes do you think it's a great success,what's happened so far do you think you,lock yourself good for our kids do you,think we slowed down the death rate more,people have died now under president,biden than did under president trump you,are the one responsible you are the,architect you are the lead architect for,the response from the government and now,800 000 people have died right so you,think it's a winning success what you've,advocated for government,senator first of all,if you

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Complete exchange between Sen. Rand Paul and Dr. Anthony Fauci

fauci,i don't expect you today to admit that,you approved of nih funding for gain and,function research in wuhan,but your repeated denials have worn thin,and a majority of americans frankly,don't believe you,even the nih now admits that eco health,alliance did perform experiments in,wuhan that created viruses not found in,nature,that actually did gain in lethality,the facts are clear the nih did fund,gain of function research in wuhan,despite your protestations you can deny,it all you want but even the chinese,authors of the paper in their paper,admit,that viruses not found in nature were,created and yes they gained in,infectivity,your persistent denials though are not,simply a stain on your reputation,but are clear and present danger to the,country and to the world,as professor kevin espelt of mit has,written gain of function research looks,like a gamble that civilization can't,afford to risk,and yet here we are again with you,steadfast in your denials,why does it matter,because gain of function research with,laboratory created viruses not found in,nature could cause a pandemic even worse,the next time,we're suffering today from one that has,a mortality of approximately one percent,they're experimenting with viruses that,have mortalities of between 15 and 50,percent,yes our civilization could be at risk,from one of these viruses,experiments that combine unknown viruses,with known pandemic causing viruses are,incredibly risky experiments that,combine unknown viruses with,coronaviruses that have as much as 50,mortality could endanger civilization as,we know it and here you sit,unwilling to accept any responsibility,for the current pandemic and unwilling,to take any steps to prevent gain of,function research from possibly,unleashing an even more deadly virus,you mislead the public by saying that,the published viruses could not be,coveted well exactly no one is alleging,that no one is alleging that the,published viruses by the chinese are,coveted what we are saying is that this,was risky,type of research gain of function,research it was risky to share this with,the,with the chinese and that kovid may have,been created from a not yet revealed,virus we don't anticipate the chinese,are going to reveal the virus if it came,from their lab,you know that but you continue to,mislead you continue to support nih,money going to wuhan you continue to say,you trust the chinese scientist,you appear to have learned nothing from,this pandemic,will you today finally take some,responsibility for funding gain of,function research in wuhan,senator with all due respect i disagree,with so many of the things that you've,said,again first of all gain of function,is a very nebulous term,we have spent not us but outside bodies,a considerable amount of effort,to give a more precise definition to the,type,of research that is of concern,that might lead to a dangerous situation,you are aware of that that is called p3,co we're aware that you deleted gain of,function from the nih website well i can,get back to that a moment if we have,time,but let's get back to the operating,framework and guidewells of which we,operate under,and you have ignored them the guidelines,are very very clear that you have to be,dealing with a pathogen that clearly is,shown and very likely to be highly,transmissible in an uncontrollable way,in humans and to have a high degree of,morbidity and mortality and that you do,experiments to enhance that hence the,word e p p p,enhanced pathogens of potentio,so when eco health alliance took the,virus well let's say,it combined it with wiv 1 and caused a,recombinant virus that doesn't exist in,nature and it made my sicker mice that,had humanized cells you're saying that,that's not gain of function research,according to the framework and,guidelines so what you're doing is,defining a weigh gain of function you're,simply saying it doesn't exist because,you changed the definition on the nih,website this is terrible and you're,you're completely trying to escape the,idea that we should do something about,trying to prevent a pandemic from,leaking from a lab there's the,preponderance of evidence now points,towards this coming from the lab and,what you've done is change the,definition on your website to try to,cover your ass basically that's what,you've done you've changed the website,to try to have a new definition that,doesn't include the risky research,that's going on until you admit that,it's risky we're not going to get,anywhere you have to admit that this,research was risky the nih has now,rebuked them your own agency has rebuked,them,but the thing is is you're still,unwilling to admit that they gained in,function when they say they became,sicker they gained in lethality it's a,new virus that's not gain of function,according to the definition that is,currently operable,you know senator,let's make it clear for the people who,are listening,the current definition,was done over a two to three year period,by outside bodies including 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Exchange between Sen. Rand Paul and Dr. Anthony Fauci

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Watch: Dr. Fauci, Sen. Rand Paul Clash During Congressional Hearing

Dr fauci knowing that it is a crime to,lie to Congress do you wish to retract,your statement of May 11th where you,claimed that the NIH never funded gain,of function research in Wuhan senator,Paul I have never lied before the,Congress and I do not retract that,statement this paper that you are,referring to was judged by qualified,staff up and down the chain as not being,gained of function what was let me,finish take an animal virus and you,increase the responsibility to humans,right you're saying that's not gain a,function that is correct and and senator,Paul you do not know what you are,talking about quite frankly and I want,to say that officially you do not know,what you are talking about okay you get,one person it's a read from the nialling,chair function this is your definition,that you guys wrote it says that,scientific research that increases the,transmittee about transmissibility among,animals is gain of function they took,animal viruses that only occur in,animals and they increase their,transmissibility to humans how you can,say that is not gain a function it is,not it's a dance and you're dancing,around this because you're trying to,obscure responsibility for four million,people dying around the world from a,pandemic and let's let's send doctor I,have to well now you're getting into,something if the point that you are,making is that the the grant that was,funded as a sub award from Eco Health to,Wuhan created sauce cov2 that's where,you are getting let me finish we don't,know well wait a minute I came in the,lab but all the evidence is pointing,that it came from the lab there will be,responsibility for those who funded the,lab including yourself I totally this,community doesn't allow the witness to I,totally resent the lie that you are now,propagating Senator because if you look,at the viruses that were used in the,experiments that were given in the,annual reports that were published in,the literature it is molecularly,impossible no one's saying though it is,virus caused the pandemic what we're,alleging is that gain of function,research was going on in that lab and,NIH funded it that is not away from it,it meets your definition and you are,obfuscating the truth I'm not,obfuscating the truth you're the one I'm,expired but I will allow the witness to,let me just finish I want everyone to,understand that if you look at those,viruses and that's judged by qualified,virologists and evolutionary biologists,those viruses are molecularly impossible,results,pause the pandemic we're saying they are,gain of function viruses because they're,animal viruses that became more,transmissible and human and you funded,it and you commit the truth and you,imply Paul your time has expired and I,will allow Witnesses who come before,this committee to respond and you are,implying that what we did was,responsible for the deaths of individual,I totally resent them and if anybody was,lying here Senator it is you,Hey NBC News viewers thanks for checking,out our YouTube channel subscribe by,clicking on that button down here and,click on any of the videos over here to,watch the latest interviews show,highlights and digital exclusives thanks,for watching

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Elon Musk hints at COVID Twitter file drop

Twitter CEO Elon Musk with quite a jab,at Dr Anthony fauci in a tweet yesterday,Republicans are vowing to investigate,the origins of the covid-19 pandemic,which includes fauci's knowledge of,coronavirus research that his Department,funded,musk tweeted my pronouns or prosecute,fauci,when asked when the public will get to,see the Twitter files on covet musk,replied oh it is coming big time that's,all that raw data and everything that I,and others have been asking for Senator,Rand Paul a longtime critic of the top,White House medical advisor tweeted this,fauci's resignation should not prevent a,full-throated investigation into the,origins of the pandemic he must be,required to testify under oath regarding,any discussions he participated in,concerning the Wuhan lab League his,policies destroyed Lives fauci who,dismissed the whole Lab League theory,for years is now spending his goodbye,tour saying he has an open mind now on,how copen started,we keep a completely open mind as to,what the origin is we've got to,investigate every possibility because,this is too important not to do that it,could have been something like,studying a virus that they got out of,the environment and perhaps having it,leaked out into the community I don't,think that's what happened but my mind,is completely open to any possibility,his mind's completely open but he,repeats what so many people got,stickered for saying out loud on Twitter,Republican senator Lindsey Graham is,here live ranking member of the Senate,budget committee and he also serves on,Appropriations Judiciary very busy man,glad you're here thank you uh Elon Musk,continues to be kind of the Bastion of,free speech on the planet he gave it to,Ukraine he put satellites up he does it,all yeah but we don't need flashlights,and things and satellites and things and,brilliant people apparently to help us,see what we all can see with Dr fauci in,particular just tell us what you knew,when you knew it well so the bottom line,we have a process in place now because,we took back the house we can never get,a speaker elected on the Republican side,to do hearings and ask questions okay,let's look at the idea transferred from,nature that somebody ate a bat in a web,Market versus a leak from the lab I'm,pretty convinced it came out of a lab,leak but we have now a processed with,Republicans in control to find out what,happened to test fauci's prior,statements to see if in fact we did fund,gain gain of function research so there,you go what are the repercussions what's,the you know we talk about that word,accountability on Capitol Hill but,people died yeah so so what's the,payback for that because he says he's,not going away he's going to continue on,his here I am best of fauci tour yeah I,don't see him getting prosecuted but I,do see understanding what happened maybe,some people getting fired because they,missed the obvious this Twitter stuff,Google this is as big a story as how,covid started because what they've done,at Twitter and other social media,Outlets is suppress the other side of,the story every time a scientist would,come forward to suggest maybe it came,out of the lab or that we're not,following the science that we're,overdoing it that we're going too far,they were shut down so the real story,for me is that the social media,companies that exist today Google,Twitter all of these Facebook Facebook,they're unregulated and you can't sue,them they're the largest companies in,the history of the world and a consumer,has no root recourse we need to fix that,and and is that in part because of,section 230 yes so that's been talked,about so so will Republicans finally do,something with that and do you think you,can get it through in the Senate okay,suing Twitter you know if somebody says,something bad about me and they use,Twitter I can sue Twitter if it's a lie,uh suppressing information about my,campaign not putting my ads putting them,in you know in in the dumpster I can,bring lawsuits but the more important,thing to me is a Regulatory Commission,we have a Comm you have to have a,license to sell real estate to open up a,TV station to to run a radio station,these companies should have a license,that can be taken away so that's so,interesting interesting hearing that,from a republican because usually you,want less government but you say in this,instance what is the exception okay,here's the deal to get a license you,have to have privacy protection a,license requirement would be that if you,take my content down I can appeal your,decision as a social media company to,somebody outside the company because I'm,a consumer young girls are being driven,to websites just to make money there's a,mental health abuse here by these,algorithms there's a the social media,companies are doing a lot of damage to,young teenage girls and we need a,licensing requirement to prevent that,and to empower parents,wow you're very passionate about it yeah,I mean this is against issue facing,America you know somebody who's i

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Rand Paul, Dr. Fauci trade blows in tense Senate hearing

senator Paul,Dr falcheem the idea that a government,official like yourself would claim,unilaterally unilaterally to represent,science that any criticism of you would,be considered a criticism of science,itself is quite dangerous Central,planning whether it be of the economy or,of science is risky because of the,fallibility of the planner it would not,be so catastrophic if the planner were,simply one physician in Peoria,then the mistakes would only affect that,Physician's patients the people who,chose that position but when the planner,is a government official like yourself,who rules by mandate the errors are,compounded and become much more harmful,a planner who believes he is the science,leads to an arrogance that justifies in,his mind using government resources to,smear and to destroy the reputations of,other scientists who disagree with them,in an email exchange with Dr Collins you,can spire and I quote here directly from,the email,to create a quick and devastating,published takedown of three prominent,epidemiologists from Harvard Oxford and,Stanford apparently there's a lot of,Fringe epidemiologists at Harvard Oxford,and Stanford and you quote in the email,that they or from Dr Collins and you you,agree that they are Fringe and,immediately there's this takedown effort,a published takedown though you know,doesn't exactly conjure up the image of,a dispassionate scientist instead of,engaging them on the merits,you and Dr Collins sought to smear them,as Fringe and take them down and not in,journals in Lay press,this is not only antithetical to the,scientific method it's the epitome of,cheap politics and it's reprehensible Dr,falchin,do you really think it's appropriate to,use your four hundred and twenty,thousand dollar salary to attack,scientists that disagree with you,the email you're referring to was an,email,of Dr Collins to me if you look at the,email that you responded to and hurried,up and said I can do it I can do it we,got something in wired oh no I think in,usual fashion Senator you are distorting,everything about me did you ever object,to Dr Collins's characterization of them,as friends did you write back to Dr call,and say no they're not fringed they're,esteemed scientists and it would be,beneath me I did not do that you,responded to him that you would do it,and you immediately got an article on,the wired you sent it back to him said,hey look I've got him I nailed them in,wired of all Sciences,there you go again that would just do,the same thing every year that was your,response and this wasn't this wasn't the,only time so your desire to take down,people incorrect as usual Senator you,are incorrect almost everything well no,you deny you deny but the emails tell,the truth of this no this wasn't the,only time your desire to take down those,who disagree with you didn't stop with,Harvard Oxford and Stanford you,conspired with Peter dazak who you,communicated with privately and other,members of the scientific community that,wrote opinion pieces for nature five of,them signed a paper for nature an,opinion piece 17 signed a paper that,called it conspiracy theory the idea,that the virus could have originated in,the lab do you think words like,conspiracy theory should be in a,scientific paper,Senator I never used that word when I,was referring to it you're distorting,virtually everything did you communicate,with the five scientists who wrote the,opinion piece in nature where they were,describing oh this there's no way this,could happen,me what I did you talk with any of those,scientists you keep the students the,truth it is how you talk to any of the,scientists privately yes you wrote the,opinion you did well what were they,telling you privately well let me,explain you know you're going back to,that original discussion when I brought,together a group of people to look at,every possibility with an open mind so,you not only are you distorting it you,were completely turning it around as,most scientists that came to you,privately did they come to you privately,and say no way this came from the lab or,was their initial impression Dr Gary and,Dr others that were involved was their,initial impression actually that it,looked very suspicious for a virus came,from a lab senator we are here at a,committee to look at a virus now that,has killed almost 900 000 people and the,purpose of the committee was to try and,get things out how we can help to get,the American public and you keep coming,back to personal attacks on me that have,absolutely no relevance to reality do,you think anybody has had more influence,let me finish this than you have do you,madam yes do you think it's a great,success what's happened so far,good for our kids do you think we slowed,down the death rate more people have,died now under President Biden than did,under President Trump you are the one,responsible you are the architect you,are the lead architect for the response,from the government and now 800 000,people have died right so 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on the same day the nih said that yes,there was a gain of function in wuhan,the same day the definition appeared the,new definition to try to define a way,what's going on in wuhan until you,accept it until you expect accept,responsibility we're not going to get,anywhere close to trying to prevent,another lab leak of this dangerous sort,of experiment you won't admit that it's,dangerous and for that lack of judgment,i think it's time that you resign dr,falchi,i don't expect you today to admit that,you approved of nih funding for gain and,function research in wuhan,but your repeated denials have worn thin,and a majority of americans frankly,don't believe you,even the nih now admits that eco health,alliance did perform experiments in,wuhan that created viruses not found in,nature,that actually did gain in lethality,the facts are clear the nih did fund,gain of function research in wuhan,despite your protestations you can deny,it all you want but even the chinese,authors of the paper in their paper,admit,that viruses not found in nature were,created and yes they gained in,infectivity,your persistent denials though are not,simply a stain on your reputation,but are clear and present danger to the,country and to the world,as professor kevin espelt of mit has,written gain of function research looks,like a gamble that civilization can't,afford to risk,and yet here we are again with you,steadfast in your denials,why does it matter,because gain of function research with,laboratory created viruses not found in,nature could cause a pandemic even worse,the next time,we're suffering today from one that has,a mortality of approximately one percent,they're experimenting with viruses that,have mortalities of between 15 and 50,percent,yes our civilization could be at risk,from one of these viruses,experiments that combine unknown viruses,with known pandemic-causing viruses are,incredibly risky,experiments that combine unknown viruses,with coronaviruses that have as much as,50 mortality could endanger civilization,as we know it and here you sit,unwilling to accept any responsibility,for the current pandemic and unwilling,to take any steps to prevent gain of,function research from possibly,unleashing an even more deadly virus,you mislead the public by saying that,the published viruses could not be,coveted well exactly no one is alleging,that no one is alleging that the,published viruses by the chinese are,covered what we are saying is that this,was risky,type of research gain of function,research it was risky to share this with,the,with the chinese and that kovid may have,been created from a not yet revealed,virus we don't anticipate the chinese,are going to reveal the virus if it came,from their lab,you know that but you continue to,mislead you continue to support nih,money going to wuhan you continue to say,you trust the chinese scientist,you appear to have learned nothing from,this pandemic,will you today finally take some,responsibility for funding gain of,function research in wuhan,senator with all due respect i disagree,with so many of the things that you've,said,again first of all gain of function is a,very nebulous term,we have spent not us but outside bodies,a considerable amount of effort,to give a more precise definition to the,type,of research that is of concern,that might lead to a dangerous situation,you are aware of that that is called,p3co we're aware that you deleted gain,of function from the nih website well i,can get back to that in a moment if we,have time,but let's get back to the operating,framework and guidewells of which we,operate under and you have ignored them,the guidelines are very very clear that,you have to be dealing with a pathogen,that clearly is shown and very likely to,be highly transmissible in an,uncontrollable way,in humans and to have a high degree of,morbidity and mortality and that you do,experiments to enhance that hence the,word e p p p enhanced pathogens of,potentio,so when eco health alliance took the,virus well let's say,it combined it with wiv 1 and caused a,recombinant virus that doesn't exist in,nature and it made my sicker mice that,had humanized cells you're saying that,that's not gain of function research,according to the framework and,guidelines so what you're doing is,defining a way gain of function you're,simply saying it doesn't exist because,you changed the definition on the nih,website this is terrible and you're,you're completely trying to escape the,idea that we should do something about,trying to prevent a pandemic from,leaking from a lab there's the,preponderance of evidence now points,towards this coming from the lab and,what you've done is change the,definition on your website to try to,cover your ass basically that's what,you've done you've changed the website,to try to have a new definition that,doesn't include the risky research,that's going on until you admit that,it's risky we're not going to get,anywhere you have to admit that this,research was risky the nih h

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