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Jamelle Bouie - Assessing the Third Democratic Presidential Debate | The Daily ShowSo here we are.,I

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Jamelle Bouie - Assessing the Third Democratic Presidential Debate | The Daily Show

So here we are.,It is officially the third,-presidential Democratic debate. -Right.,You saw the ten strongest contenders.,People were really focused on the four up top.,When you look at this debate, though, fundamentally,,do you think Democrats are getting the right message,,across on the, you know, on the screen on the night?,I think that for the Democratic primary voters,who just really want to beat Trump,,that's the only thing they care about,,um, kind of, right?,The first 20 minutes of the debate was spent arguing,about health care and health care is very important.,But we've kind of rehashed-- we've had that debate before.,It's rehashing past things, and I think what a lot,of Democratic voters just want to know is,how capable are you gonna be on the debate stage with Trump?,How able are you gonna be to beat Trump?,And some of that was discussed.,A lot of other stuff was discussed as well about policy,,but I'm not sure the Democratic voters,are all that invested in these policy conversations.,That's interesting, so do you think the Democratic primaries,should be more focused on, like, who looks good on stage,,who sounds good, who has a feeling of being presidential,,because it's mostly Democratic voters,who are gonna decide what's gonna happen?,So the crazy thing is Democratic voters really want,to beat Trump, and they have firm ideas,-about what being electable means. -Mm-hmm.,But the fact that Trump is president,means that literally anyone is electable.,Um... So it's hard to figure out,exactly who on that stage,would be best for that task.,Is it Biden, who polls very well,,consistently high against Trump,,very conventional, former vice president?,Is it Bernie Sanders who also polls very well against Trump,,has much more left-wing views than Biden?,But, again, does well in the head-to-head polls,and a lot of Biden voters really like Bernie.,And a lot of Bernie voters really like Biden.,Or is it Warren? Or is it Harris?,-Right, right, right. -And I think part of the trouble,for Democratic voters is that there's no clear-cut way,to actually determine who is gonna be the best,up against Trump. Who is the most electable?,And, so, part of what we saw at the debate, uh,,was them trying to figure out ways to position themselves,for this particular task,while also trying to criticize on the issues,where each of them sort of have their niche.,You know, what's interesting, as well,,is people want to pitch themselves as a president,,and, at the same time, they want to pitch,why they would be a better president than Obama,without, at the same time, slamming Obama,for anything that he did.,-Right. -This seems to be, like, this weird balancing game,between each... "I loved Obama, but this is what I...","Now, Obama was great, but this is what I would do.",How much more progressive,do you think this field is than Obama was,,like, when you... when you look at them holistically?,And do you think they have to find that balance,,or should they just be like, "No, I'm doing it differently"?,I mean, I think overall,,the field's quite a bit more progressive than Obama.,I think things have moved to the left.,Even the centrist candidates are embracing policies,-that Obama wasn't quite ready to go for. -Mm-hmm.,I think this is really acute on immigration.,I... You saw this during the debate,when, um, Vice President Biden said,,you know, "We didn't jail people.",-And Julián Castro was like, "Wait a sec." -"You did.",I-I recall a very different immigration policy,,and I think immigration specifically,is gonna be this issue where there is an attempt,to create distance with Obama,because a lot of Democratic voters,want a more liberal, humane immigration policy.,But there's also this thing of wanting to show,that, you know, "I'm with... I'm with the Obama presidency.,I recognize Obama was a great president. I support him.",And that's a thing that I think they're trying,to figure out how to do.,It seems like on health care,,you know, that they have their arguments,,but people agree on the universal aspect of it.,You know, the main issue is, uh,,private insurance, no private insurance.,But otherwise, people agree.,People seem to agree on guns, background checks, et cetera.,Immigration seems to be the place,-where people are getting tripped up. -Yeah.,Is there a win for Democrats,in the space of... do you deport people,,or do you say that all immigrants,who come into the country undocumented can stay?,I don't hear anybody with, like, a clean answer,whenever they're asked that question.,Is there a clean answer?,I think... I mean, I think there's a clean answer.,I think that, um... some candidates--,I think Castro's one of them-- has made the case,that you need to decriminalize certain parts of border entry,to make it so that you're not throwing people into jail,for what are basically civil crimes.,Um, I think what Democrats should embrace,is the fact that public opinion,is what political scientists call thermostatic.,It moves in the oppo

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HasanAbi INTERVIEWS | N.Y.T. Columnist, Jamelle Bouie
Twitter Reply Guy Desperate For Sam Seder Debate Gets His Wish
Sarah Posner & Jamelle Bouie [The Posner Show]
G. Elliott Morris — Strength in Numbers: How Polls Work and Why We Need Them - with Jamelle Bouie
Hasanabi INTERVIEWS NYT Columnist Jamelle Bouie | Hasan's Himbos
"When I Realized Trump Could Win"
I Asked The NYT What We Can Do About SCOTUS

HasanAbi INTERVIEWS | N.Y.T. Columnist, Jamelle Bouie

i'm going to start a video call with uh like i said jamel bowie of the new york times um hi can ,you hear me yeah i can hear you oh damn you have like an incredible setup holy dude like ,this is like goddamn this popped out and actually went green okay well that works ,um all right one second let me just like fix this up a little bit sorry it's just like i gotta do ,live production and it gets a little tricky when i do it no problem uh let me lower your audio a ,little bit as well how would you um how should i how should i hype you up i said like one of ,the one of the few uh leftist progressive uh new york times uh columnist in new york times op-ed ,in the new york times op-ed section uh that works is that good that works i can't anything more than ,that i might be like disparaging my colleagues like oh yeah no i i know i know i know there's ,like some some they don't like that they really don't i've gotten in trouble for before so ,yeah well there you go that's another that's another marker that you are one of the more ,progressive uh you are one of the more progressive new york times columnist uh there you go ,um okay so let's get right into it you only have 20 minutes i just wanted to say uh thank you for ,coming on this is wonderful it's wonderful to have you unfortunately the circumstances in ,where you are here uh are are not so great uh such as uh such as just american politics though ,so i i wanna i wanted to just quickly get that out of the way and say that you ,you do have a really good setup what do you think yeah that's just normally not the case um ,but yeah uh so right now obviously what we knew that was going to happen uh ,for a month now finally happened uh the supreme court came down with the decision on ,roe v wade and uh functionally allowed states to decriminalize army states to criminalize abortion ,uh many states already had trigger laws in place many states already had pre-existing laws in place ,and they have already activated um and alabama for example has already uh started turning ,away people that are seeking abortions or were slated to get abortions in the state of alabama ,and that's where we're at but i wanted to i wanted to talk to you because you are well one you are ,at the new york times so obviously you understand american politics a lot better than me a dumb ass ,on twitch and i wanted to hear your perspective on what can be done in this circumstance ,yeah i know it's tough because what we're what we're witnessing is the culmination ,that's not even the culmination the very beginning of an effort to roll back not just abortion rights ,or the right to privacy that the court found in griswold connecticut but really roll back ,almost 100 years of jurisprudence that was more or less designed to allow americans to live as they ,please and to give the federal state an active role in the economy and social life so this is ,i think this should be understood as the very beginning and because it is you know it took 30 ,years to get to the point 40 years to get to the point where republicans could put six justices ,six hard right conservative justices on the court in terms of what can be done in the immediate term ,to kind of reverse this and and push back against it there's not all that much right ,obviously for uh women on the ground for anyone who needs reproductive health care on the ground ,there are organizations and there are activists working as hard as they can to keep the lines of ,access open states like new york and california and illinois and washington you know the big ,progressive states um are likely going to if they haven't already if they haven't already codified a ,right to an abortion in their state constitutions they're going to they're going to try to ,improve access the federal government can do things right the u.s military can continue to ,pay for service members to access reproductive health care places where congress has control ,the washington dc well washington dc federal territories can continue to have abortion services ,but that's all kind of rear guard action stuff in terms of just ,actually trying to really reverse the tide in the in the immediate term um ,there are a couple avenues i think progressives liberals people who support these rights can ,can do they can start working on trying to amend state constitutions which is an under i think kind ,of an underrated aspect of all of this but even if even if the uh federal constitution no longer ,protects the right to an abortion it is still possible to amend state constitutions to affirm ,rights to privacy to even a firmer right to an abortion and it's unclear to me at least how ,successful or unsuccessful that would be but i think it's an approach worth taking um in oh ,there's one there's one thing i want to say in theory in theory right the supreme court like ,their the constitution doesn't act

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Twitter Reply Guy Desperate For Sam Seder Debate Gets His Wish

el camino chavez on twitter now you you,tweeted at,now i i gotta be honest i don't know,that i,hold on let me see this right now i just,followed this thread okay so um you,wrote,why is sam cedar afraid to debate me,then,um,about uh and you uh linked to a piece on,schoon tv,no more mandates now let's just to be,fair did i,do,what made you think i was afraid to,debate you,man i've been i've been coming after you,for a long time sam i've been uh i've,been doing promos wrestling style promos,online,you know calling you out every friday,night every friday night where you can,come and come in the cage man el camino,chavez on twitter join me in the cage,i'm sorry i didn't i didn't see it but i,saw this one so you're here now what do,you want to debate me,uh on don't know second uh maybe we'll,do the uh vaccine mandates how about,that okay or continue lockdown do you,already mean we might you might agree,i'm not even sure what your what your,stance on is that but i'm assuming,you're well i mean you wanted to debate,me uh so yeah now i did i did print out,your no more mandates,um,do you want to make your argument there,and i'll tell you what um what i think i,mean if your argument is what you wrote,i'll tell you why i think it's silly,yeah i mean i also want to add that,there has been a uh,you know an update and you know it's,unfair if you don't know what the news,is but from new york times they're,saying that,um,you know a typical 75 year old who,contracted a flu for covid now appears,to present less threat to most,vaccinated elderly people than the flu,so and that's the main them and what we,say usually obese people and people of,certain,health issues would be the people who,are most a threat all of them are able,to get vaccinated if they want the,vaccines are supposed to work otherwise,in the tour the mortality rate has been,.07,across the world,why do we need to like force people to,get their vaccine and some people have,really,first of all you know synthetic people,also have health issues that they're,concerned about like i know i know a,woman whose daughter had a really bad,reaction to a vaccine and,she's already and she's a very,left-leaning lady and she's very afraid,to get a vaccine that's been rushed uh,but it's a new technology,and um what do you mean it's a new,technology,this,mrna whatever it is,it's actually been the technology has,been around for a long long time,actually,this is not a new type of vaccine,it's a new type of vaccine but the,technology the mrna,technology has been around for a long,time,okay so what whatever the whatever the,case is this is a new type of vaccine um,i mean to be fair,j and j it was also a new type of,vaccine,right i mean it's for covid it's,different it's a different different,vaccine sure,sure,but but let's so what's your argument,here that we should not have vaccine,mandates is that it or that we shouldn't,or what or what that that kovitz not,real you know how many people how many,people have died uh die from the flu do,we do we uh predict,or or estimate essentially you don't,know exactly how many people die from,the flu you know we know more or less,how many people die from the flu on any,given year,i'm not sure i'll stop my head i mean,surely you must have an idea because you,know that this is less uh dangerous than,the flu so give me a sense what's your,guess as to how many people die from the,flu each year,um,i'm going to guess,i'm going to say,300 000 something like that 300 000 okay,300 to 500 000 i believe i remember,looking at before 300 to 500 000 uh,people a year die of the flu in the,united states,that's in and so you're comparing that,to covid where we've had approximately,400 000 people,it's a little bit more,uh per year die right and you're,thinking hey we live with the flu,and,why can't we live with coven,right we're gonna have to live with,coconut right now i know we're gonna,have to but i'm just trying to,to make an assessment of your argument,now what if i was to tell you what if i,was to tell you,that,that that flu mortality,is not,three to four hundred or three to five,hundred thousand people a year in the,united,st would that start to change your,calculus because you're you're you're,saying,if the flu kills five hundred thousand,or four hundred thousand three hundred,thousand people a year and covin's,killing you know four or five hundred,thousand a year what's the difference,right,no i thought that's what i'm saying i'm,saying people shouldn't be forced to,take this the vaccine well but wait a,second but wait a second but you decided,to me,you you cited to me i just want to start,with this point and then we can move on,to the vaccine mandates,but you cited,that it is now you just read a new york,times thing that said it's more,dangerous the flu is more dangerous,for certain uh cohort of people who are,un you know or vaccinated um than than,than than uh than coveted 75 typical 75,year old is left in here now why are you,telling me that data point,w

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Sarah Posner & Jamelle Bouie [The Posner Show]

hi Jamel hello how are you today I'm,doing pretty good how are you doing good,so I wanted to talk to you about this,piece you have in the current issue of,The American Prospect about demographics,and the Democrats and you take a sort of,counterintuitive view which is backed up,by evidence of course that essentially,that Democrats shouldn't be complacent,about how the changing demographics of,the United States will lead to a,permanent Democratic majority you sort,of explode the myth that Latino and,other voters of color are going to,permanently be part of a Democratic,coalition yeah yeah it's sort of it's,the piece really hinges on this idea,that racial line aren't racial and,diseases today aren't necessarily going,to be the ones exist fifty years from,now and then we've seen this in American,history before that you know something,southern Eastern Europeans in the late,19th and early 20th century weren't not,weren't necessarily non-white but they,were working through white either,advisors right they were they were,Outsiders and there's have been the,mainstream at the time was sort of,whites of Anglo and Northern European,descent but that changed variety of,social things social factors changed the,the Second World War really brought lots,of these Europeans into the mainstream,and that by the middle of this by the,middle of the 20th century had brought,this the 60s and then certainly in the,70s these ethnic whites are for all,intents and purposes void and at this,point now there's you know no one really,looks at me Italian or someone whose,families from Eastern Europe and says to,themselves oh that person isn't white,they still still may be designated as,Italian or,you know Russian or polish but they,aren't,no one says white person not white,person and so I think a similar thing,might happen with Latinos you know you,have Latinos there's all of racial,diversity within the category of Latino,I have a lot of people even right now,who are basically of European descent,but are coded as Latino but you can,imagine you know twenty years down the,road thirty years down the road that,those people will like a tie-in Tour,sudden you're Eastern Europeans will,just simply be regarded as white and you,know if you can extent that's already,true I always I talked about this with,Matt Iglesias a lot I like to use the,greasiest was a good example of this is,is a Latino descent but it's considered,white considers himself white and you,know the only time I'm in his telling,that is Latino heritage meant anything,politically in this sort of it's an,expert in my argument is when,Republicans are demonizing Latino,immigrants and I think that this on one,hand racial lines may shift they,probably will and you'll have probably a,lot of Latinos who are essentially,identified as white and I to most people,but it's also true that if you have a,political party that is relentlessly,hostile to a group that group political,identity might be formed in opposition,to that group and so you can also really,easily imagine you know after a decade,or two decades of Republican hostility,to immigrants you have Latinos who in,their economic and social lives are I,have different for a richer group and,group affiliation someone who knows are,a large a large portion of my business,why if some might be some lower income,and more darker skin might be seen as,still on the outside but all of them,identify their interest as an opposition,to conservatives as a result of things,that happened in the past and this is,something we already see with African,Americans it's not that there aren't,conservative African Americans believe,me more that there aren't a conservative,potatoes right right you know believe me,speaking as a child of a conservative,african-american they're out there but,the Republican Party has been so hostile,to the perceived interest of African,Americans that their political identity,it's almost entirely in opposition to,them I did not know that about you,actually yeah you're the child of a,conservative my amick that's pretty,conservative my mom's like mostly,apolitical mm-hmm that's interesting,so I mean do you think that that not to,get too personal but I'm just curious,I've always terraced about when people,take and end up as adults taking,political positions that are at odds,with what they grew up around and what,causes them to do that I mean was there,a point in your life when you was it a,gradual process or was there a point in,your life when you just could have went,dad you're just completely wrong about,that I mean you know I was one of those,odd kids who's like really in politics,shockingly can't believe it,foreign political beliefs a little early,and I kind of always sort of recognized,my dad's a conservative guy and like,I've always been that I just sort of,agree with him on a lot of basic things,it's not really if they're a them don't,really ever recall point consciously,where I was like oh wow I really,disappear with my dad okay I just k

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G. Elliott Morris — Strength in Numbers: How Polls Work and Why We Need Them - with Jamelle Bouie

good evening everyone thanks for making,it out in the rain welcome to politics,and pro's bookstore i'm julia with the,events department where we host,in-person and virtual offerings along,with a number of partnered events trips,and classes you can find our full,calendar online at politics pros dot com,slash events,at this moment please take a second to,silence anything you have that might,make noise your phone a tamagotchi a,lightsaber i don't know about please put,that away,um keep in mind our current masking,polis at the front of the store feel,free to hop up and grab one,once the discussion for this evening has,concluded we'll open the floor to,audience q a,at that time you'll be prompted to line,up at the microphone you see to your,right don't feel shy we'll prompt you to,do that but please form an orderly queue,there,and we'll conclude with a signing at,this table if you haven't already,purchased a copy and i encourage you to,do so of elliott morris's strength in,numbers how polls work and why we need,them you can stop by our registers at,the front of the store pick up a copy,for that signing line,last bit of business,when we wrap up our one ask of you is,that you take responsibility for the,chair you're sitting in,hop up fold it please put it against a,shelf or something else that's sturdy,that clears some floor space for the,signing line and helps our event staff,get out of here faster on a rainy night,all right,we're very excited to welcome elliott,moore celebrating the publication of,strengthened numbers how polls work and,why we need them an insightful,exploration of political polling and a,bold defense of its crucial role in a,modern democracy,morris argues that the larger purpose of,political polls is to improve democracy,not just predict elections,persuasively argued and deeply research,strength in numbers is an essential,guide to understanding and embracing one,of the most important and overlooked,democratic institutions in the united,states,and the author is a data journalist for,the economist where he writes about,american politics and elections,based here in washington d.c,and moderating this evening we're lucky,to have jemele bowie a columnist for the,new york times and political analyst for,cbs news bowie covers campaigns,elections national affairs and culture,previously the chief political,correspondent for slate magazine and a,staff writer at the daily beast and held,fellowships at the american prospect and,the nation magazine,please join me in giving a very warm pnp,welcome to,elliot morris and jamal bowie thank you,hello,uh thank you is this on yet,i think it is,sounds on,okay great uh thank you for coming um uh,hello elliot hey thanks for being here,oh my pleasure nice to meet you in,person,um,let's just get started because this is a,very interesting book,and um i was,sort of riveted while reading it and i,think there's a lot of interesting stuff,to to get out so,um,to start,and i'm sure you've been asked this,question already,why did you write this book why did you,write what is,both a defense of polling,um a history of polling but also sort of,an affirmative argument for polling's,place in democratic life,well i guess it kind of sounds crazy,in hindsight to write a book about polls,after 2016 and 2020.,um,but i'm you know i'm not a pollster,common misconception but i,read i guess almost all the polls that,are german to what i'm covering and an,election forecaster so all the polls are,entering,those processes of my work,um so,after the most recent two elections,when there are these,you know catastrophic narratives of how,bad the polls performed,you know my research and polling says,well you should you know you should,expect some of these errors expression,at the time or whatever we can get into,how those predictions are made later um,and so i wanted to write this book event,you know originally like 2019 about,you know people are wrong about about,the polls here's the science and the art,of surveys and of forecasts,um,and so you know i'm doing a bunch of,reading from the uh archives of you know,the american,political science association and,american association for public opinion,research all the academic you know,research journals for this stuff um and,what comes across there is not like the,statistical take about oh polls are,going to be wrong this percent of the,time don't you know trust him,every single every single poll you read,but,um a real deep connection between,uh a commitment from the pollsters and,the polling academics to democracy um,and that is you know what seemed missing,from the broader conversation about,polls in the media at least,especially from where i was sitting as a,data journalist um and you know that,that's the threads that i pull on,throughout the book that is,that seemed much more interesting to me,and so that's that's what the book,became,that i'll say that that that's the part,of the book that's been that was most,interesting to me while reading it sort,

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Hasanabi INTERVIEWS NYT Columnist Jamelle Bouie | Hasan's Himbos

let's get right into it you only have 20,minutes i just wanted to say uh thank,you for coming on this is wonderful it's,wonderful to have you unfortunately the,circumstances in where you are here uh,are are not so great uh such as uh such,as just american politics though so i i,want to i wanted to just quickly get,that out of the way and say that you you,do have a really good setup,what do you think,yeah it's just normally not the case,um but yeah,uh so right now obviously what we knew,that was going to happen uh,for a month now finally happened uh the,supreme court came down with the,decision on roe v wade and uh,functionally allowed states to,decriminalize or i mean states to,criminalize abortion,uh many states already had trigger laws,in place uh many states already had,pre-existing laws in place and they have,already activated,um and uh alabama for example has uh,uh,started turning away people that are,seeking abortions or were slated to get,abortions in the state of alabama,and uh that's where we're at but i,wanted to i wanted to talk to you,because you are well one you are at the,new york times so obviously you,understand american politics a lot,better than me a dumbass on twitch and i,wanted to hear your perspective on what,can be done in this circumstance,yeah no it's tough because what we're,what we're witnessing is the culmination,that's not even the culmination the very,beginning of an effort to roll back,not just abortion rights or the right to,privacy that the court found in griswold,connecticut but really roll back almost,100 years of jurisprudence,that was more or less designed to allow,americans to live as they please and to,give the federal state an active role in,the economy and social life so this is i,think this should be understood as the,very beginning and because it is,you know it took 30 years to get to the,point 40 years to get to the point where,republicans could put six justices six,hard right conservative justices on the,court in terms of what can be done in,the immediate term to kind of reverse,this and and push back against it,there's not all that much right,obviously for uh women on the ground for,anyone who needs reproductive health,care on the ground there are,organizations and there are activists,working as hard as they can to keep the,lines of access open states like new,york and california and illinois and,washington you know the big progressive,states um are likely going to if they,haven't already they haven't already,codified a right to an abortion in their,state constitutions they're going to,they're going to try to,improve access the federal government,can do things right the u.s military,can,continue to pay for service members to,access reproductive health care,places where congress has control the,washington dc well washington dc federal,territories can continue to have,abortion services,but that's all kind of rear guard action,stuff in terms of just actually trying,to really,reverse the tide in the in the immediate,term,um there are a couple avenues i think,progressives liberals people who support,these rights can can do they can start,working on trying to amend state,constitutions which is an under i think,kind of an underrated aspect of all of,this but even if,even if the,uh federal constitution no longer,protects the right to an abortion it is,still possible to amend state,constitutions to affirm rights to,privacy to even a firmer right to an,abortion and it's unclear to me at least,how,successful or unsuccessful that would be,but i think it's an approach worth,taking,um in,oh there's one there's one thing i want,to say in theory,in theory,right the supreme court like,their the constitution doesn't actually,say all that much about what the supreme,court can do what his powers are and the,powers it has are kind of the result of,things that that's accumulated over time,because constitution does say that,congress can,uh you know cr create a supreme court,congress can determine its size congress,can determine its jurisdiction congress,can determine yeah how actually the,court can overrule stuff and so medium,term to long term i really think it's,important for liberals and progressives,to be organizing around,kind of disciplining and getting a,handle on the court,yeah uh there is unfortunately as far as,i understand not really anything that is,uh,closely resembling the federalist,society on the liberal side even the,liberal side itself is is a little bit,more complicated there's certainly not,one on like the workers side uh even,liberal supreme court justices uh that,were appointed under,uh under liberal uh democratic,presidents have still uh oftentimes,cited on the side of corporations and,like really ridiculous decisions um so i,don't even know if that's something that,we can get to even if there was interest,from like capitalist but uh pro,democratic party pro civil rights uh you,know businesses that funnel their funds,together in a similar capacity these,like psy

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"When I Realized Trump Could Win"

- When I first became aware that Donald Trump,was actually running for president,,my thought was, this can't possibly be happening.,- Basically for 25 years Donald Trump had been flirting,with the idea of running for president.,It was basically a way for him to get a bunch of attention.,- The combination of a clearly undisciplined candidate,like Donald Trump and a handful of incompetent,,republicans are seemingly competent republicans,,suggested a repeat of the cycle we saw on 2012.,- You know, a lot of news outlets,had already put their best reports on Jeb Bush,,he was supposed to be the front runner at the, sort of,,presumed Republican nominee at, you know, a year out.,- I guess I really didn't take it as seriously as,I could have or should have.,- It's hard to actually think that this person,,who's a showman, is going to launch,this credible campaign for president.,- Yeah, so, early 2014 I arranged to interview Donald Trump,on his plane, so I spent two days with Trump,down at his kind of beach side compound in Palm Beach,,interviewing him, getting to know him.,The piece that I wrote, kind of, called him out,for 25 years of pretending to run for president,,just to kind of get attention.,I predicted quite confidently,that he never would actually run for president.,- Yeah, so when Trump announced he was running for president,he came down with his wife on this escalator in Trump Tower.,- Coming down the escalator,,I think that few of us will forget that image.,- With the escalator, I think,,the mood was sort of, jolly about it.,I mean, I think that goes for a lot of newsrooms.,- I was actually up in New Hampshire,covering a Jeb Bush campaign rally.,And I remember just sitting in this like town hall,in New Hampshire like watching the tweets come in,about Trump's announcement,and I remember, I think I tweeted something like,,I feel like I'm being punk'd.,- When I first saw a Trump event in person,,I think that's when it all sort of came together.,It was just that kind of political event,I'd never seen before.,- When I was in a cab ride back to my hotel,and I was on the phone with my editor,,kind of giving my read out of what had happened,and kind of talking about insider political analysis,and I remember all of a sudden the cab driver,just like, was obviously eavesdropping on me.,The cab driver barked something like,,"Trump is winning cause he understands real Americans".,I remember just getting out of the cab,and being like, okay, this is probably happening.,- When he went after John McCain,for having being captured as a prisoner of war,and there was all this condemnation,that came from the Republican Party.,For him to be able to say what he said,,which was actually in many ways,,a criticism of all prisoners of war,,and to not have it affect his support whatsoever,,that was that moment where I thought,,this isn't just your average Kennedy.,- I would say that my own feeling about this really turned,around the time of the Paris attacks.,And Trump's ability to capitalize from the Paris attacks,and kind of open up a new front,,policy front which is the ban on Muslims,into the United States, his vote share like went up.,So I kinda had two conclusions.,First, the Republican base is really eating,whatever Trump is cooking with regards to,bigotry and nativism.,And second, I don't think the Republican Party,institutionally is equipped to deal with it.,And if it's not equipped to deal with it,,then I'm not sure how they're going to stop it.,- The thing that I realized is that,I underestimated Trump because I thought,that all he wanted was attention.,And what I think he really wanted was respect.,And that's more deeply rooted than I ever realized.,It goes all the way back to when he was kind of,this outsider kid in Queens, who wanted to live in Manhattan,and be accepted as a true Manhattan elite.,And he's kind of had this outsider status anxiety,his entire life and I think that I didn't realize,how deeply he felt that and how that would fuel him,to do something so kind of outlandish,as actually run for president.

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I Asked The NYT What We Can Do About SCOTUS

let's get right into it you only have 20,minutes i just wanted to say uh thank,you for coming on this is wonderful it's,wonderful to have you unfortunately the,circumstances in where you are here uh,are are not so great such as just,american politics though obviously what,we knew that was going to happen for a,month now finally happened uh the,supreme court came down with the,decision on roe v wade and uh,functionally allowed states to,decriminalize or i mean states to,criminalize abortion many states already,had trigger laws in place uh many states,already had pre-existing laws in place,and they have already activated alabama,for example has uh already started,turning away people that are seeking,abortions or were slated to get,abortions in the state of alabama and uh,that's where we're at but i wanted to i,wanted to talk to you because you are,well one you are at the uh new york,times so obviously you understand,american politics a lot better than me a,dumb ass on twitch and i wanted to hear,your perspective on what can be done in,this circumstance yeah no it's tough,because what we're what we're witnessing,is the culmination,that's not even the culmination the very,beginning of an effort to roll back,not just abortion rights or the right to,privacy that the court found in griswold,v connecticut but really roll back,almost a hundred years of jurisprudence,that was more or less designed to allow,americans to live as they please and to,give the federal state an active role in,the economy and social life so this is i,think this should be understood as the,very beginning and because it is it took,30 years to get to the point 40 years to,get to the point where republicans could,put six justices six,hard right conservative justices on the,court in terms of what can be done in,the immediate term to kind of reverse,this and and push back against it,there's not all that much right,obviously,for uh women on the ground for anyone,who needs reproductive health care on,the ground there are organizations and,there are activists working as hard as,they can to keep the lines of access,open,states like new york and california and,illinois and washington you know the big,progressive states um are likely going,to if they haven't already they haven't,already codified a right to an abortion,in their state constitutions they're,going to they're going to try to,improve access the federal government,can do things right the u.s military can,uh continue to pay for service members,to,access reproductive health care,um,places where congress has control the,washington dc well washington dc federal,territories can continue to have,abortion services but that's all kind of,rear guard action stuff in terms of just,actually trying to really,reverse the tide in the in the immediate,term,um there are a couple avenues i think,progressives liberals people who support,these rights can can do they can start,working on trying to amend state,constitutions which is an under i think,kind of an underrated aspect of all of,this but even if even if the federal,constitution no longer protects the,right to an abortion it is still,possible to amend state constitutions to,affirm rights to privacy to even a,firmer right to an abortion and it's,unclear to me at least how successful or,unsuccessful that would be but i think,it's an approach worth taking there's,one there's one thing i want to say in,theory right the supreme court like,their the constitution doesn't actually,say all that much about what the supreme,court can do what his powers are and the,powers it has are kind of the result of,things that that's accumulated over time,because constitution does say that,congress can create a supreme court,congress can determine its size congress,can determine its jurisdiction congress,can determine yeah how actually the,court can overrule stuff and so medium,term to long term i i really think it's,important for liberals and progressives,to be organizing around kind of,disciplining and getting a handle on the,court yeah uh there is unfortunately as,far as i understand not really anything,that is uh closely resembling the,federalist society on the liberal side,even the liberal side itself is is a,little bit more complicated there's,certainly not one on like the workers,side even liberal supreme court justices,that were appointed under liberal uh,democratic presidents have still often,times cited on the side of corporations,and like really ridiculous decisions so,i don't even know if that's something,that we can get to even if there was,interest from like capitalist but uh pro,democratic party pro civil rights uh,businesses that funneled their funds,together in a similar capacity these,like psychotic reactionary billionaires,and millionaires do and i don't even,know but that's also long-term solutions,potentially and that would take a long,time obviously the idea that uh,democrats have across the board are to,fundraise off this and then also turn,around immediate

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